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Your argument is what is known as a straw man. No where in my argument do I claim accelerationists are evil. My argument is that accelerationism as a strategy is useless.
Your argument isn't based on the discussions on Lemmy or anything in the argument you are responding to. If you aren't going to engage with either of those then there is little point of continuing this discussion.
The US just elected a fascist dictator. Millions of people are now at risk of being deported and millions could be killed by fascist policies. Your argument is unsuccessfully minimizing how badly this election has fucked us. The people arguing against voting Democrat are the accelerationists arguing for a strategy to make society collapse.
Why are you lying about the accelerationists that are supposedly everywhere?
I recommend paying attention. The results of this election could impact us for decades to come and may lead us to some of the worst outcomes of climate change. Accelerationists have fundamentally misunderstood the lessons of history and have demonstrated they do not care about anyone but themselves. Things get better when we learn from our mistakes not when we repeat them. Watching things burn is useless. We have to do the work to make things better. edit: typo
I'm not reposting all of lemmy for you here. They are in this comment section even.
Watching everything burn isn't praxis. Their strategy is to let fascists win, so they aren't even anti-fascist. It's self-defeating because it helps no one and gets us further from progressive and socialist goals.
I argue with a lot of people arguing for accelerationism so there is my comment and post history. Alternatively you could go through the Political Memes, politics, News, and World News communities. Political Memes would probably be the easiest to find relevant posts and comments.
The search bar is a helpful tool for this. Individual communities can be selected to be searched. Searching on accelerationism is a good place to start. Once you find some users arguing against or for this rhetoric you can review their comment and post history.
I have been participating in and following along with the political discourse on lemmy. Lots of other people have to. I'm not the only one who has noticed the prevalence of accelerationism rhetoric or the only person arguing against accelertionism.
He’ll yea let’s call people unwilling to vote for someone who won’t stop the genocide accelerationists!
People are claiming to be accelerationists, arguing that accelerationism is the answer to fascism, making pro-accelerationism memes. The memes have been in the lemmy.world Political Memes community but the rhetoric can be found in political discussions all over lemmy. I would say it's commonplace at this point.
Their one issue was pretending to care about the Palestinians. After recent discussions I've had today and yesterday, it seems more obvious than ever that accelerationists don't care about anything but being the most morally pure person in the room.
Have you seriously not seen anything related to that? Having the self-evident political discourse on lemmy pointed out to you is really the straw that broke your back on hating the libs?
it’s an asshole move to call Muslims and immigrants
Are you kidding? It's mostly white people as far as I can tell. The Palestinians and Muslims I've heard from urged people to vote for Harris. Accelerationism seems to require a privileged mindset so a person can turn a blind eye to the actual plight of minorities.
edit: It's Political Memes community not politics community for the memes.
I’m really surprised of the responses to this comment, I find this to be a common sense
The closer a person and the people they care about get to the chopping block the less common sense it seems.
Unlike Biden, Harris was not a life long Zionist.
When Joe Biden met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his war cabinet during his visit to Israel, the U.S. president assured them: "I don't believe you have to be a Jew to be a Zionist, and I am a Zionist."
She even chose Tim Walz over Josh Shapiro, another Zionist.
For years, he has been a steadfast supporter of the Jewish state.
Biden wasn't running for president. Harris was and as VP she doesn't have the power to change the US' relationship with anyone.
It wasn't useful for Harris to call it a genocide, because it would have hurt her chances of getting elected. Even Bernie refers to it as a war, probably so he doesn't get censored by the Senate.
Harris called for a ceasefire multiple times. Here's a comment that said it best.
https://lemmy.world/comment/13069715
She’s taken a stance, multiple times. The left doesn’t want to hear it.
March - https://www.npr.org/2024/03/04/1234822836/kamala-harris-benny-gantz-gaza-cease-fire-israel-hamas
July - https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/25/harris-netanyahu-israel-cease-fire-00171315
Despite your argument's attempt to conflate the two, it was evident from examining the evidence that Harris wanted a ceasefire and would be better than Trump on this issue. To end the genocide we need a president who wants it to end before all the Palestinians are dead.
Harris promised to do everything in her power to end the war in Gaza.
“This year has been difficult, given the scale of death and destruction in Gaza and given the civilian casualties and displacement in Lebanon, it is devastating. And as president, I will do everything in my power to end the war in Gaza, to bring home the hostages, end the suffering in Gaza, ensure Israel is secure, and ensure the Palestinian people can realise their right to dignity, freedom, security and self-determination,” Harris said to applause during a rally in East Lansing city of Michigan, home to 200,000 Arab Americans.
Trump wants Israel to finish the job.
Yet Trump has repeatedly urged to Israel “finish the job” and destroy Hamas — but hasn’t said how.
Harris promised to do everything in her power to end the war in Gaza.
“This year has been difficult, given the scale of death and destruction in Gaza and given the civilian casualties and displacement in Lebanon, it is devastating. And as president, I will do everything in my power to end the war in Gaza, to bring home the hostages, end the suffering in Gaza, ensure Israel is secure, and ensure the Palestinian people can realise their right to dignity, freedom, security and self-determination,” Harris said to applause during a rally in East Lansing city of Michigan, home to 200,000 Arab Americans.
Harris was running for president, not Biden. All the information we had suggested that Harris' presidency would be vastly different than Trump's second term.
Yet Trump has repeatedly urged to Israel “finish the job” and destroy Hamas — but hasn’t said how.
I read your comments and watched the video. This isn't my first time watching this video.
I’m trying to call attention to these useless attacks that disregard Palestinians.
The attacks, your argument refers to, are against accelerationism. Not everyone is going to use that term, but it's clear based on the statement that is what they are referring to. Gaza was the single issue accelerationists focused on. The accelerationists and this meme are disregarding the Palestinians.
The commenter's message and the video's message are the same. We need to leverage power to help minorities. Arguing against that message is more accelerationism.
Accelerationism is a self-defeating strategy that harms us all. Part of the bare minimum of doing the work between elections is calling out accelerationism's false promises. It takes little effort, but it's important to highlight the uselessness of this ideology. If we do not learn from all the failures of this election we will be doomed to repeat them in the future.
People are arguing against participating in elections to help minorities in this comment section. The video is in no small part about people refusing to leverage power to help minorities. This is not an issue of nuance. The arguments the video is referring to and the arguments in this comment section are a one to one match.
The meme misrepresents the video, which in facts calls out people for their inaction the same way the commenter in the meme is doing. It is in fact this meme that is attempting, unsuccessfully for another moral victory at the expense of the Palestinians. This meme does nothing to help the Palestinians, it is just seeking moral victory over those who would leverage power for the Palestinians.
The commenter's argument and the video's argument are the same argument. So the meme is arguing against the video's argument. edit: typos
To the accelerationists the lives of the Palestinian people are the cost of doing business. Dirtying their hands by voting Democrat would inconvenience them by violating their moral compass. Even though Harris pledged to do everything in her power to end the war in Gaza. The magnitude and scope of an indefinite genocide were immaterial to accelerationists. By contributing to Harris' loss they achieved a moral victory over the progressives and socialists who are also anti-racist, but were willing to leverage power for the benefit of the Palestinian people.
Read this comment section and what the users arguing against democracy had to say. Then watch the video and see how the video is talking about their arguments and their refusal to leverage power for the benefit of others. Their arguments have to twist the video's words and hope you don't watch it.
In a democracy, voting is how we leverage power in elections. When we show up, we win. The accelerationists weren't willing to show up for Palestinians, who they professed to care about. They aren't going to show up for Palestinians, trans people, or anyone for elections in 2026 and 2028. A user argues, in this comment section, against utilizing elections.
Assuming we continue to have elections, please reject accelerationism. Things do not get better by making them worse. Things only get better by learning from our mistakes and using that knowledge to make things better.
What your argument is describing isn't populism in general. Trump's populism is christian nationalism which seems to be what your argument is referring to. Bernie's platform in 2016 and 2020 was a populist platform that was intended to forward a progressive agenda.
https://www.wordnik.com/words/populism
A political philosophy supporting the rights and power of the people in their struggle against the privileged elite.
Why would we discard it later? Populism isn't inherently radical or reactionary as Bernie and Trump have demonstrated. It provides a narrative to contextualize what the campaign is for to the people. Which Democrats definitely needed in this election. It's highly unlikely Democrats will make their own populist campaign. We need to hijack the Democratic Party the way Bernie tried to do and Trump did to the Republican Party.
The strategy is to use the Democratic Party so we don't have to build our own party from scratch. It's not because we like or think highly of Democrats. Because of our first-past-the-post voting system we end up in a two-party system. The Democrats are the tool we have to use when the Republicans are fascists that want to kill us.
Sup. I'm trans too.
I've seen the five comments you wrote. Be a bit easier if we do this in one comment chain yeah? I assume you meant neoliberalism is the left wing of fascism. Anyway, if you talk to people with neoliberal ideas in their head, you'll find they are perfectly capable of empathy.
Neoliberalism leads us to fascism because it elevates markets and corporations over people. Which means the rich are free to extract as much wealth from everyone else as they want. Neoliberalism also leads us to fascism because the only change it permits to a system is the people in that system. It's a lot easier for fascists to convince neoliberals to change the people in society than in it is for socialists or progressives to convince them to redistribute wealth or enact systemic change respectively.
This isn't a moral failing of neoliberals. It's a failure of education. We can teach people to identify flawed neoliberal ideas and rationalize how they got us to where we are now.
As far as Democrats are concerned criticizing them isn't the issue. The problem is trying to sink their campaign in the months leading up to the election when they were the only viable option to delay fascism. We need a populist narrative to push a socialist and progressive agenda to really turn the US around. But it takes time to get a campaign like that off the ground. It's going to be a lot harder to do now.
The Democrats were always going to run an incumbent this election, it's standard in US politics. Not a good standard as it turned out, but the incumbent advantage was a political fundamental for decades.
I would say an important take away from this election is that the Democratic Party is a tool. We can criticize and critique it as much as we want. But we aren't doing ourselves any favors if we snap our tool over our knee and throw it away because it isn't perfect.
In the context of a 2-d, Euclidean geometry, x and y axis political compass putting neoliberals slightly right of center makes sense. In different models a different position could make sense. People don't need to move through neoliberalism. The issue is that many if not most people in our society have neoliberal ideas in their heads.
Regan, Bush Sr, Clinton, W, Obama were all some variation on neoliberal. Neoliberal rhetoric laid the ground work for Trump. Biden also being a neoliberal hasn't moved the needle on this while in office. We can't wait for someone to do it for us. We have to help people fully internalize neoliberalism as a scam. Then teach them about socialism.
I can read what you wrote.
it makes me a decent fucking person.
Being a decent person is not the goal. Helping people is the goal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo
Our first-past-the-post voting system mathematically leaves us with two parties. Bernie tried to hijack the Democratic Party which is what Trump did to the Republican Party. If the Democratic Party's leadership goes to prison during the next four years there might not be much of a party left to hijack. We might end up having to build our own party with its own populist narrative and then get it to be the one party that competes with the Republican Party, which is the harder of those two options.
The meta is populism. If the corpse of the Democratic Party has enough juice in it, then it can be used to forward a populist narrative. If it doesn't we'll have to make our own from scratch. edit: typos
From the river to the sea. I'm a social democrat.
If you actually cared, accelerationism would bother you because they left the Palestinians out to dry. Trump being president may have killed Palestinian statehood. Israel is talking about annexing the West Bank. These election results have undoubtedly extended the genocide in Gaza for at least the next four years, assuming anyone lives that long. Israel wants to build a greater Israel out of Lebanon too and Trump is going to let them. Accelerationism is useless.
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