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  • Steam Controller

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  • My hope after seeing that the joysticks themselves look like they can be removed from the main board is that the touchpads can be relocated to the top without too much hassle and put into a 3D printed top shell made by the community. So if that were possible what I'd probably do is pop off the XYAB, dpad, and board holding the joystick so the touchpad can be moved up to make the touchpads comfortable for primary use.

    And then I'd rely on the back buttons and set up a dpad modeshift on a right pad click to enable edge and center clicks, so I wouldn't miss the absence of the other inputs too much. I also use touchpad for movement where I'll often set outer ring to sprint and map crouch/slide/dash on touchpad click, so cuts down on needed inputs further.

    So that's my hope that modifying the new Steam Controller for touchpad users will be as simple as 3d printing a shell and opening the controller and not require further things like soldering.

  • Steam Controller

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  • The Steam controller was ahead of its time

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  • I think it’s undeniable that it’s pretty plasticky.

    I don't disagree one that part. In fact, you'd find most Steam Controller fans biggest wish is for a more premium update. That's been a big wish for a long time with mine being a Steam Controller with better bumpers, gyro with higher polling for high refresh rate gaming, 2 more back buttons, extra bumper buttons like the 8bitdo has, dpad replacing the left joystick, pressure sensitive touchpad that are bit larger, and a much nicer material for the shell.

    But, despite the less than premium build quality enthusiasts find the actual functions useful enough to keep using it. Much like the Alpakka controller that doesn't even have a right joystick or touchpad, but gyro enthusiasts use it because it has the best gyro available right now for controllers.

    So basically the stances about build quality and it not being a mainstream device is not something most Steam Controller users disagree with. That's not really been the point of contention. There's been agreement on that.

  • The Steam controller was ahead of its time

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  • That’s cool, if that’s what you want to do. Go nuts, have fun. But there’s a reason it isn’t a particularly mainstream way to engage with PC games.

    My argument was never for how it is mainstream, but that I find it more useful than regular controllers which I used before and use now. I've found "upgrades" to the xbox, playstation, nintendo controllers with the 8bitdo Ultimate 2. But have yet to find upgrades to the Steam Controller.

    You do play mouse and keyboard games on it and love it, and you think it beats sticks because you can spend hours on Steam making overly complicated setups that allow you to macro all sorts of nonses into the trackpads and paddles and whatnot.

    And what is mouse and keyboard games these days? Death Stranding, Saints Row, GTA, Dishonored, Uncharted? Doesn't take me hours to set up either. It might takes hours for you to set up, but for me it's been as simple as using a pre saved template for mixed input or mouse/keyboard depending on support and adjusting the gyro and remapping some buttons to my preference.

    Same thing I end up doing on a regular controller like the 8bitdo Ultimate 2 where I map buttons of the grip and extra bumper from game to game when I opt for it over the Steam Controller. And same process for adjusting the gyro.

    I don’t blame people for swearing by it as contrarians.

    So my point is yes for you the controller may be useless, but disagree with the instance that people who like it are doing it because they are contrarians. Hell there's people who take the same stance with gyro trying it out and finding they aren't proficient at it and insisting it is a gimmick.

    I hate this thing with a passion.

    It does seem like your hatred of it with a passion as you said is leading to too strong of a bias of rejecting the idea that those who like it do actually like it because for them they find it to be a better controller than traditional joystick controller. I will not disagree with you that it is a bad controller for you. It most definitely is with it causing physical pain for you on top other complaints you have. It is a bad controller for you period.

    All I ask is that you open your mind to the possibility that people who do prefer it do actually find it the opposite of what yours is, and they aren't doing it for the sake of being contrarian. They do actually use it because they do find it better for them.

  • The Steam controller was ahead of its time

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  • Here's another pic with the entire controller layout shown so you can see that the L4 and PL buttons are unique from all the other buttons.

  • The Steam controller was ahead of its time

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  • No you don't have to. It's separate buttons. Just happened to do that for that game.

    Here's one with keyboard keys.

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  • In case you are curious how the extra buttons look in Steam Input for the 8bitdo ultimate 2 wireless I included a pic.

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  • I haven't tried over bluetooth but it does work over the 2.4 ghz dongle. I stick with the dongle over bluetooth, since polling is supposed to be 1000 hz.

  • The Steam controller was ahead of its time

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  • Yes they can be set up like any other button through Steam Input. I've tested it myself on the 8bitdo Ultimate 2 wireless, and analog triggers and gyro also works. The only other controller that offered that functionality was playstation before the firmware update with other third party controllers having to enter switch mode, which has digital triggers.

    There is one thing that needs to be worked out with vibration, since if it is on it can cause the controller to stop working in game while using Steam Input. Have to leave it off for now. But, it's been getting worked on.

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  • I came from a background of using joystick controllers then picked up a Steam Controller and loved it since. And I still use it along side regular controllers, so probably bit more experience on both than other people.

    Build quality isn't premium, but I prefer it for most of my games over my switch, xbox, 8bitdo, and sony controllers. Love it for games like Doom Eternal, Left 4 Dead 2, and The Finals.

    Just haven't found a controller that provides me with the functionality the Steam Controller offers despite finding alternatives to xbox controllers with first the playstation with it having gyro the xbox doesn't, and then 8bitdo with additional buttons and TMR sticks the playstation doesn't. But, still no Steam Controller alternative, so I'm still using it.

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  • I'd recommend the 8bitdo ultimate 2 wireless. Has two back paddles, but also has two additional bumper buttons so is actually 4 buttons in total. The back paddles of the controller is also much easier to press in than the Deck and extra bumpers easy to access, so even though the locations wouldn't be 1 to 1 the use I find easier.

    Just have to update the firmware of the controller and dongle and then start the controller in dinput mode to be able to bind the extra buttons through Steam Input.

  • 8BitDo announces it's controllers now have Steam/SteamOS compatibility

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  • I got the 8bitdo Ultimate 2 wireless controller with the latest firmware update, and can confirm dinput mode lets me map the back buttons and extra bumpers to different inputs through Steam Input. Analog triggers and gyro work too.

  • 8BitDo announces it's controllers now have Steam/SteamOS compatibility

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  • Probably have to use Windows to update it. Once the proper firmware is applied then going into dinput mode on the 8bitdo Ultimate 2 wireless controller allowed me to map the back buttons and extra bumper buttons through Steam Input. Was also able to set up gyro too.

  • THE FINALS to get new kernel-based anti-cheat, devs say it will still work on Linux, SteamOS, Steam Deck

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  • I play this game with the Steam Controller using motion controls and without aim assist, and do fine against mouse and aim assist players.

    So this is a game that when you die isn't usually due to someone having much better reflexes and pixel perfect aiming than you. More game sense and good utilization of gadgets and specialization. Which to start off will be rough not knowing what everything does, but once you become familiar with it should become less of a problem.