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libera te tutemet ex machina, and shitpost~~

  • You’re right, but one thing I’d like to point out about nature of voting in a democracy (and this isn’t about immigration itself): voter turnout is never 100% for anything, and winners are often decided by a handful (local elections) or couple of thousands of votes (state, federal).

  • Do you think that if leftists completely dropped any support for DEI and CRT that their opponents would suddenly support programs that aggressively attack wealth inequality?

    No, but US wealth inequality is going to worsen now because of the US Dept. of Education being gutted, which is worse than DEI going away. I think education and welfare programs will make easier policies for majority of voters to vote for. More of the US population is poor than a minority of some kind. The danger I was alarmed by (admittedly a knee jerk reaction) is that increasing polarization is going to be used by authoritarians to win and install their own preferred systems. Poverty reducing efforts like in the Nordic model will be popular, but also something some types of politicians cannot favor because of their prior party stance.

  • You’re right, that’s why Title VII and VIII were written to address those aspects

  • I meant politicians will abuse the intention of these policies to gain favor from poor white voters, and that nation state actors will cause polarization by highlighting the growing discontent in various ways.

  • I think policies in the Nordic model are more along those lines, tbh.

  • I am not angry about anything, and I didn’t look them up now, tbh. The issue I find is that well-meaning and useful policies are painted as something they’re not, or used by others to create polarization. So, my pov is that leftists and progressives are better off focusing on poverty alleviation. If minorities face generational wealth issues (they do) then poverty alleviation policies that don’t single them out in particular will be harder to attack by political opponents.

  • Okay, so about immigration I’ll just make this point, from another thread:

    So, let’s say a democratic country favors pro-choice policies, but then has an influx of immigrants who are anti-abortion, and now that population is greater. That’s a change of values because the population shifted to a majority opinion which favors a different view point. If a country has an idealized view of how it wants to be, then I think it’s fair to expect immigrants to integrate and assimilate. I don’t think that has anything to do with xenophobia or not excluding different cultures, as long as the core values of a country are maintained. For example, if a country wants to maintain a democratic socialist society, and a greater population of capitalists immigrate to it, then I think that socialist society would want to restrict immigration as well.

    The above point is to demonstrate how democracies are fragile, and that not all immigration policies are necessarily xenophobic or racist.

  • I added it.

  • Okay, I’ll add those.

  • It’s in the OP.

  • Look, if I am wrong I want to know. I said I won’t respond to those posts because it’s not meant to be an argument.

  • It’s shared in the OP.

  • Ask Lemmy @lemmy.world

    Can someone change my mind about CRT and DEI?

  • Because I think the people who criticize the nordic model are simply biased towards achieving an outcome where the workers seize the means of production. That’s why, to them, anything else is wrong, or simply an untenable solution. I am saying that their point of view is not only incorrect, but also lacks insight outside of their own way of thinking.

  • The Nordic model, but authoritarian people only care about winning, not solutions.

    Edit lol @ downvoters constantly butthurt that their Marxist pov is challenged

  • Disagree, but I propose this: the universe is infinite, maybe then we should just have a planet where the socioeconomic system is capitalist, and another one where the socioeconomic system is communist/marxist. I don’t care about winning or being right. I want to live freely, and I want that for others as well.

    Better nations on Earth already use what’s known as the Nordic model to help offset the adverse effects of capitalism. Cue (and queue) people who’ll say that “that only works because the ‘imperialists’ exploit the global south”. So again, let’s just make it easier for people who don’t want to live in a world like that.

  • Please, how many non-Korean politicians are in their congress? Korea is also so ethnically homogeneous, so it’s not even fair to ask that question. I care about civil rights and liberties of minorities, my problem is that America is constantly getting fucked by one type of propaganda or another because it has an actual democracy (in at least the blue and purple states).

    Yes, some American southern states actually do systemic racism type things, that’s undeniable if you objectively look at their policies. America, however, is not a monolith.

  • lol how? Anti-immigration is not inherently racism. All countries have some sort of immigration control.

    Edit forget it, i don’t want to want to seem oblivious to the obvious human rights issues here. People deserve legal recourse to immigration, enough said.

  • Deportations have happened under other presidents as well, so from what I can tell this is all being covered in great detail as part of some media campaign.

    https://www.cato.org/blog/deportation-rates-historical-perspective

    More info https://living.alot.com/entertainment/45-weirdest-presidential-facts--17063?s=11&isLong=0&isVertical=1

    The anti-DEI motivation seems thoughtless at first, but then when you look at it really it seems the politicians don’t like the CRT and Neo-Marxist ideology associated with DEI. Makes sense, America has never been about Marxism or Communism.

    https://newdiscourses.com/2023/04/marxist-roots-of-dei-workshop-all-sessions/

    I mean, people should have some resource for legal immigration, but a nation is allowed sovereign control over their immigration policies.

    So, the whole reaction on the left seems a tad alarmist maybe, but as others have said keep paying attn but don’t let it consume your life or senses.

    Edit meant to use a different term

  • Nah, there’s nothing feminine about being “weak and pathetic, and needing to rely on a real man for everything”.

    To keep it simple and pithy, my notion of femininity is Storm from X-Men. Be a force of nature, nurturing but to be reckoned with if and when provoked.

  • It’s a little silly equating one (albeit learned and genius) guy’s opinion as something which will work across the board for everyone, everywhere. There’s nothing democratic about socialism, just as there’s nothing democratic about the unregulated and oligarchic capitalism we have today.

    At a very simple and human level, there are a number of explanations for why some elites and intellectuals gravitate towards socialism, this has been discussed to death in many places, but here’s an accessible article.

    https://iea.org.uk/why-intellectuals-are-so-upset-by-the-injustices-of-capitalism/

    To add some economist perspectives, here’s another article

    https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/free-market-or-socialism-have-economists-really-anything-to-say

    What I find interesting from the above article is that China currently does very efficient market socialism, which tbh if the U.S. was to implement would make the U.S. a more powerful economic force to contend with. The caveat will be that U.S. citizens will no longer have the right to means to production, or land ownership. Such systems have no respect for individual liberties. The relative rate of poverty and inequality in the U.S. does not merit this kind of shift versus what it sacrifices.

    The only countries which have issues with capitalism are the economic loser countries. Here’s the problem though, there are so many examples of countries which could have been economic losers, but instead turned it around for them because those countries had good sense and controlled their levels of corruption. The only people in countries who have problems with capitalism are the economic losers. The best way to correct those woes is through taxation and social programs, not a forced or authoritarian formula of break-shit-and-take-shit.

    Edit I won’t respond to any comments to my post, I just don’t have the time to poke at this today lol, but don’t take my no response as a signal of agreement, just saying

    /lazyposting

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