No, no one in history achieved their rights by “just having a peaceful talk in the marketplace of ideas”, because all governments are hierarchies that exist to benefit the top of this hierarchy, and with peaceful talks you achieve nothing but continuation of the status quo. What's the point of letting the nobility, fascists, dictators, oligarchs, or anyone who is nothing but poison exist? They will continue oppressing others no matter how many times will you talk with them, they will only shut up if you show them you're not going to tolerate them.