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libera te tutemet ex machina, and shitpost~~

  • Why don’t more people start profit-sharing companies or co-ops?

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  • I am sorry, but what does bought out mean? The person running it simply didn’t have to sell. If you’re saying “money was too tempting”, then isn’t that an inherent flaw in any Marxist Leninist theory in practice? So let’s say, the business wasn’t run by someone who cared enough about others and got greedy, so why not start one where you pick the right people? If you can’t do that, then why should any state ever cede over production to workers? How would we ensure greed doesn’t take over then?

  • Why don’t more people start profit-sharing companies or co-ops?

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  • I don’t know, it seems the whole argument seems to boil down to “there’s not enough time, money or skill”. I guess my question is why do ML theorists think workers can organize enough to run a state when they can’t organize enough to run a business?

  • Why don’t more people start profit-sharing companies or co-ops?

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  • People upvoting this have no idea, VCs aren’t the only way to fund a business

  • Why don’t more people start profit-sharing companies or co-ops?

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  • Idk, people are doing it already. Seems like this isn’t really a good reason.

  • Why don’t more people start profit-sharing companies or co-ops?

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  • You’re right it’s hard, that’s the same pressure as normal business creation. I mean, look at the fediverse. Making something like this didn’t happen overnight, and there’s a lot of talent and vision which made it happen.

    I think to start, someone could build a profit-sharing version of TikTok, FB, Zoom, Amazon or Etsy etc.

  • Why don’t more people start profit-sharing companies or co-ops?

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  • This doesn’t make sense, there are people already doing this and making millions, at least.

  • Why don’t more people start profit-sharing companies or co-ops?

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  • Can you please cite some examples? What does that even mean?

  • Why don’t more people start profit-sharing companies or co-ops?

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  • These are great points, and looking at some of the other responses I get the sense that it’s a time and skills issue. So, what exactly do communists and socialists imagine will happen when “workers seize the means of production”?

    I don’t want to discourage anyone from pursuing these ideas, I think at least in the U.S. it might be cool to have a consultancy or non-profit which helps connect such founders and provides them with education, training and startup resources.

    Edit oh and some of the other points are that one wouldn’t get rich doing this. So what? I’ve already seen people look down on wealth accumulation, so I think it’s fair to say that the motives for someone who’d start such a business venture are different, which is valid and reasonable.

    Secondly, I don’t think market forces will impact such businesses because if you’re creating communities around them, then people will choose what they know and trust.

  • Just curious but are we heading towards an "eat the rich" society?

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  • If people can protest for higher taxes on the wealthy, and ensure that money is spent on social services that would be a great start. I don’t know about other countries, but why the fuck can’t America do a Nordic model of socialism?

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  • Sorry, I wasn’t even talking about this one incident but more in the abstract about the sign in OPs post. I agree that people who take up leadership positions in society have more responsibility, and should be held accountable. The French revolutionaries experienced exactly these same frustrations, so I see some parallels here which make sense. Leaders need to do better, or be replaced one way or another.

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  • I make these comments because I hate seeing people bring up the same tired ideas which lose at the polling booth.

    I agree that people deserve better, but there are a lot of idiots who cannot tell allies apart from foes. There’s no helping such people 🤷‍♀️

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  • Why should someone give up their wealth? For most people, wealth serves as a way for self determination.

    Edit we also baselessly assume that working class people have better ethics or morals than some wealthier counterpart. This isn’t necessarily true.

    Fact is though that people are inherently self-preserving. There’s nothing bad about it per se, but it can result in callous behaviors. Animals developed altruistic behaviors for group preservation, which is an extension of self preservation. But overall, someone will always look to self preserve. Helping out a family member or neighbor or friend is also an act of self preservation because they’re your network. Doing charity is an act of self-preservation because you want to believe in a larger network of good humans. Progressives need to build their policies around this basic fact.

    Second, progressives will benefit from acknowledging that people have two needs: 1) some understanding of what it means to be human beyond the basics of mating, shelter, and fitting into a group, and 2) some way to exercise individuality and engage in self determination.

    Religion and spirituality cover need 1, and economic tools cover need 2. However, all religions are trash fantasy, and our economic tools don’t work for people who they don’t work for. Humanitarian ideals are a better substitute for religion, and we need some form of Nordic model socialism which helps even out bad luck in people’s lives.

    But saying that someone shouldn’t be wealthy is wrong. Wealth accumulation isn’t the problem. The problem is sociopathy which neglects basic social contracts. People are not here to be servants or serfs or slaves. People deserve opportunities for self determination, and our current system is not providing that for some.

  • What Loot would you drop when defeated?

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  • A curse

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  • I am using the same language as people who make this type of criticism

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  • If you can’t afford your lifestyle without working, you’re working class. If you become homeless without work, you’re working class. If you’re a few missed paychecks away from having to rely on savings for maintaining your life, you’re working class.

    We’d have a more reasonable and progressive society if people were honest about their lack of social safety nets.

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  • Well this is why I made the post, I don’t know if OP was doing it but my comment is directed more towards the person who made that sign.

    Most people are working class because they lack the resources and status from generational wealth.

    Edit that said, I don’t think it’s fair to make someone feel bad about what they were born into. If someone is actively working against the betterment of other people’s lives, that’s a separate issue.

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  • Ah I always get inter and intra mixed up

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  • Please stop with the intra-class hate, it’s just a bad look and makes someone using such labels look like an envious have-not.

    You risk alienating white collar or high-income working class with these slogans, who have a lot of political power.

    The problem is compounded by the fact that most people have a misconception about their class status, and don’t realize that we’re all working class.

    Your doctors, lawyers, engineers, and even some politicians are working class, but don’t want to admit it, or don’t understand how class works.

    Edit inter vs intra is a sob

  • For when you come acr(ule)oss .ml posts

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  • Stop calling everything that doesn’t fit into neat political boxes liberal or neoliberal

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