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  • Do you think that morality is relative to each person's view point or do you think that moral facts do not exist at all?

    I think that morality is relative to each person and in the same time it is shaped from social and cultural norms.

    In relation to your answer to my question, I came to realise that I don't think that I will get a satisfactory one, because of our different backgrounds. What I mean is that you talk with philosophical terms to a commoner. For example (and to my understanding) you talk about moral facts as a given term, and for me this notion doesn't even exist. Don't get me wrong, good for you!

    Also, taking into consideration that our answers are getting longer and longer, maybe this could be a good exit point. So, I would like to thank you for the time you spent on this conversation, because I enjoy thinking and you gave me food for thought.

  • I was not satisfied by my previous answer, so I thought of deleting it and giving it another try.


    So your suggestion is that we can keep our moral judgments out of practical considerations without espousing the objective truth of moral facts?

    Not at all. I would be extremely hesitant to suggest something on this topic, for all people. In a way, this is the reason why I talked about how I see things on a personal level, specifically.

    About the category error, once more I don't know the terms you use, so I will answer from what I understand by the way you describe them.

    My question was related to a notion (objective morality), and not a physical object (i.e. a rock). Notions exist - to my understanding - because we use language, so we should be able to define them. An object like a rock, is there even if language is not used. So I don't see where the category error could be.

    Finally, I will rephrase my 2-part question for clarity, because only half of it got kind of answered:

    Since you claim that morality is objective I would assume that you would be capable of tracing where this objectivity comes from, how it emerged, and how it stays that way. I'm not too sure how to phrase this as a question, but it's something along those lines.

    Also, if it were objective for all people, I imagine we would all know its content. But, for example, the terms morally good & morally bad even tho they are commonly used in modern languages, they often have different content. So, it seems clear to me that the terms morally good and bad are not objective. So which morality is objective? Please, describe the content of this notion you claim to be objective.

  • I don't know the term you mentioned so I'll be talking about the points you made, not the term itself.

    So, I don't need morality to condemn the human suffering that slavery, female genital mutilation, or genocide creates. I don't need a moral lens for this, just a practical one -- out of solidarity, for freedom, equity, equality etc, for everyone on this planet. This is why it's easy for me to justify any fight for social justice. These fights are by default systemic so against the status quo. I hope it is clear why I don't need an objective moral truth.

    I would like to ask you, when you say morality is objective who defines it and what is it?

  • The way I see things, there is nothing objective about morality because it is based on cultural principles, and these vary from place to place and through time as well.

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  • Unfortunately, these are just articles that claim stuff, they do not include any actual and/or current researches. This is why they use terms like "trusted source", or urge the reader to worry about something, instead of providing evidence and let the reader decide how to feel about these findings.

    Also, they come from the mouthpieces that Zionist propaganda uses. Remember the debunked beheaded babies claims, or the weaponization of sexual violence claims, or the human shield claims - to name just a few that were covered by these media.

    Still, thank you for taking the time.

  • Could you please share a link supporting your claim that doesn't come from a zionist propaganda machine?

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    Dear BBC, why analyze only 15 incidents?

    Btw, from UNHCR: One year on from the tragic shipwreck off Pylos, Greece

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  • Please keep in mind that all (neo)colonial powers have a history that is intertwined with racism. Germany is no exception.

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    Racism in German history is inextricably linked to the Herero and Namaqua genocide in colonial times. Racism reached its peak during the Nazi regime which eventually led to a program of systematic state-sponsored murder known as The Holocaust. According to reports by the European Commission, milder forms of racism are still present in parts of German society. Currently the racism has been mainly directed towards Asian and African countries[1] by both the state and through the citizens which includes being impolite and trying to interfere in internal matters of African countries by the diplomats...

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  • I appreciate you say that. I only wish any of the downvoting people would right a comment on why or what they didn't like, to further the conversation.

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    That's what I see on the sidebar, and what you say is irrelevant and questionable.

  • Not too sure how this article is relevant to a Europe community?

  • In a way I kind of agree with everything you mention.

    On the other hand if we think of how long education has existed in Europe, it alone, would not justify the percentage of existing christians now a days.

    It is important to take into consideration, who is in charge of the education. In Europe, it's very often christians. Those in power who are not christians, more often than not, do not dare go against the prevalent religion in europe.

  • I suppose if you feel this way, we better leave it here for today. Maybe if you take a look at this interaction of ours tomorrow, you will have a different point of view? At least I hope so.

  • There is no agreement to recognise Palestine because Israel is a settler colonial power since its inception. And is backed by other colonisers.

    See: The Neglected History of the State of Israel - The Revisionist faction of Zionism that ended up triumphing adhered to literal fascist doctrines and traditions.

    I USE THE WORD “FASCIST” in the literal sense. Do not flinch from it. The founders of Revisionist Zionism certainly didn’t. Respect them enough to take them at their word.

    In 1928, a prominent Revisionist named Abba Ahimeir published a series of articles entitled “From the Diary of a Fascist.” They refer to the founder of their movement, Ze’ev Jabotinsky (his adopted first name is Hebrew for “wolf”), as “il duce.” In 1935, his comrade Hen Merhavia wrote that Revisionists were doing what Mussolini did: “establish a nucleus of an exemplary life of morality and purity. Like us, the Italian fascists look back to their historical heritage. We seek to return to the kingdom of the House of David; they want to return to the glory of the Roman Empire.” They even opened a maritime academy in Italy, under Mussolini’s sponsorship, for the navy they hoped to build in their new Israeli state. “[T]he views and the political and social inclinations of the Revisionists,” an Italian magazine reported, “are absolutely in accordance with the fascist doctrine … as our students they will bring the Italian and fascist culture to Palestine.”

  • It's intersectional.

    It was coined in 1989 by professor Kimberlé Crenshaw to describe how race, class, gender, and other individual characteristics “intersect” with one another and overlap.

    [Edit: Even tho race is not a scientific thing anymore, we had this narrative for so long that the term is still in use. At least it is used as a social construct. And we struggle as societies with racism. Still]