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  • People ask vegans what they eat

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  • It's now just a bit more. Just a little bit really

  • People ask vegans what they eat

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  • Hoisin sauce is typically vegan as is soy sauce and teriyaki among many others

  • People ask vegans what they eat

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  • So you say, yet there is more room to increase it

  • YSK about 15 bean soup.

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  • So I say “consider how some people actually do have a single source of protein per day, they’re not combining it with other food sources, but they should be aware of this” and your reply is “oh but you see they’re combining it with other food sources so that’s not important” flawless logic.

    My point is that it effectively happens anyway without even having to think about it in 99% of cases. It's not really a large issue in the slightest. It just makes things sound scarier and more complex than it needs to be. People have finite ability to focus on various health things, and this just isn't something 99% of people need to be worried about

    If someone is eating the exact identical source exclusively, every single day with no variation in anything, they are likely going to end up deficient in other things way before this, regardless of which thing they are eating (unless it's something like Huel or Soylent which is designed to include everything). This is not at the level of "someone has beans a lot". This is at the level of "virtually all of your calories come from beans" to be some larger issue

    Many people use it as a lever to attack plant-based diets in situation that it just doesn't apply at all by making it sound like it's something you're needing some spreadsheet for. It's really not the case. Plus things like soy, chia, hemp, and more are also already complete too

    I never said that. You mentioned it, I said I agreed, and you mentioned it again to reinforce a point I never made. Trying to pad out the comment or something?

    I was not saying that you said this. I should have worded that better. I was trying to add some more context for relevant statements from authors talking about both complete proteins and protein combining. I did a poor job of that though

    because your body will absolutely not fully digest the 2g of protein in your 100g plate of white rice.

    You don't need to digest all of it, it's just about a specific amino acid (Methionine in this case which beans already have some of). It's just a little bit to make it complete. For instance, one of the studies you linked with rice + lentils found the two together rose the DIASS to overall be 100% (122% for infants and kids, 143% for older adults)

    I should also note protein quality metrics are also often based on some faulty assumptions for plants in particular. For instance, the DIASS has some flaws that make it undervalue the quality of plant proteins

    While multiple strengths characterize the DIAAS, substantial limitations remain, many of which are accentuated in the context of a plant-based dietary pattern. Some of these limitations include a failure to translate differences in nitrogen-to-protein conversion factors between plant- and animal-based foods, limited representation of commonly consumed plant-based foods within the scoring framework, inadequate recognition of the increased digestibility of commonly consumed heat-treated and processed plant-based foods, its formulation centered on fast-growing animal models rather than humans, and a focus on individual isolated foods vs the food matrix. The DIAAS is also increasingly being used out of context where its application could produce erroneous results such as exercise settings. When investigating protein quality, particularly in a plant-based dietary context, the DIAAS should ideally be avoided.

    https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s13668-020-00348-8.pdf

  • YSK about 15 bean soup.

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  • Many researchers argue the exact opposite - that it is way overemphasized. Especially because thing you might not think of as protein sources can add the missing other amino acids. Things like wheat, rice, etc. also have protein that can complement others. It's extremely unlikely for a bean heavy diet to actually have beans as the sole source of all protein even if is the main source

    Combining does not need to happen for every single meal: so long as the diet is varied and meets caloric needs, even vegans and vegetarians – people who tend to have more "incomplete protein" in their diet – can easily meet their amino acid needs. In other words, most people do not need to consider the completeness of proteins of single foods.[9]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_protein

    Especially the false idea that it has to be done at each meal

    Protein combining has drawn criticism as an unnecessary complicating factor in nutrition.

    In 1981, Frances Moore Lappé changed her position on protein combining from a decade prior in a revised edition of Diet for a Small Planet in which she wrote:

    "In 1971 I stressed protein complementarity because I assumed that the only way to get enough protein ... was to create a protein as usable by the body as animal protein. In combating the myth that meat is the only way to get high-quality protein, I reinforced another myth. I gave the impression that in order to get enough protein without meat, considerable care was needed in choosing foods. Actually, it is much easier than I thought.

    "With three important exceptions, there is little danger of protein deficiency in a plant food diet. The exceptions are diets very heavily dependent on [1] fruit or on [2] some tubers, such as sweet potatoes or cassava, or on [3] junk food (refined flours, sugars, and fat). Fortunately, relatively few people in the world try to survive on diets in which these foods are virtually the sole source of calories. In all other diets, if people are getting enough calories, they are virtually certain of getting enough protein."[13]: 162 

    The American Dietetic Association reversed itself in its 1988 position paper on vegetarianism. Suzanne Havala, the primary author of the paper, recalls the research process:

    There was no basis for [protein combining] that I could see.... I began calling around and talking to people and asking them what the justification was for saying that you had to complement proteins, and there was none. And what I got instead was some interesting insight from people who were knowledgeable and actually felt that there was probably no need to complement proteins. So we went ahead and made that change in the paper. [Note: The paper was approved by peer review and by a delegation vote before becoming official.]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_combining#Criticism

  • YSK about 15 bean soup.

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  • Focusing on complete proteins is largely unhelpful 99.9% of cases. Unless you are eating a exclusively singular source of protein for all meals and snacks it's going to be not practically relevant. You don't need to get all the amino acids at the same meal - just at some point in the day. And even thing you don't think of as protein sources can be enough to make something complete. For instance, just adding rice is enough to make beans complete

    It's also not the case that the beans don't have all the amino acids, they do, it's just less on certain ones. Which is why it can often take so little to make something complete protein. Complete is just a bar of "does it have this specific threshold of the amino acids", not does it contain them at all

  • YSK about 15 bean soup.

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  • Incorrect, you can always have more beans

    Source: I love beans

  • YSK about 15 bean soup.

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  • Very fitting username for this post. I wish I could be so clever. Alas, they are tricky to come up with

  • If there's a sort of "apocalyptic" event but there are still surviving communities, will people be able to make eyeglasses again, or are people with vision issues gonna be fucked?

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  • Not that useful in scenarios besides reading: if you curl your hands in front of your eye and leave a very tiny opening you can create a pinhole that'll make a tiny bit of your view in focus

    Photo from Minute Physics demonstrating what you need to do for that:

    https://youtu.be/OydqR_7_DjI

  • Leaked list shows Facebook training their AI on multiple Lemmy instances

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  • Linked article in the body suggests that likely wouldn't have made a difference anyway

    The scrapers ignored common web protocols that site owners use to block automated scraping, including “robots.txt” which is a text file placed on websites aimed at preventing the indexing of context

  • I wish there was a "Right to have your account deleted"

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  • Maybe the EU will pass some legislation that will carry over to the US

    GDPR requires the right to have your data deleted at least, but a lot of companies will only allow that if you are within the EU (because of profit and spite, I suppose). Though some just allowed it for everyone instead

    Similar for California Consumer Privacy Act where a lot of companies will only let you do the stuff it requires if you are within California

    Sort of like the “unsubscribe” button you get at the bottom of some emails. Did they have to pass a law to get that enacted?

    Yes, see the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003

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  • Plus beef is a large emitter to climate change. They've spread tons of disinformation on this to keep its consumption and production up. The industry is reaping what they've sowed

    The US beef industry is creating an army of influencers and citizen activists to help amplify a message that will be key to its future success: that you shouldn’t be too worried about the growing attention around the environmental impacts of its production.

    In particular, it would like you not to be especially concerned about how meat consumption needs to be reduced if we are to avoid the most violently disruptive forms of planetary heating (even if all fossil fuel use ended tomorrow).

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/03/beef-industry-public-relations-messaging-machine

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  • a kinder world is possible

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  • You've heard of toxic negativity, get ready for toxic positivity

  • YSK that apart from not having a car and voting, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat.

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  • Cheesemaking uses even more dairy than it being in liquid form. Varies depending on what you're looking at but it can be around a 10:1 ratio. Butter from dairy milk has an even worse conversion

    Have to make up for the lost water when turning it into a solid and other stuff you strip from the milk and that's going to be from even more dairy going into it

  • YSK that apart from not having a car and voting, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat.

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  • This graph is normalized per kg. Graphs look similarly per kcal as well

  • YSK that apart from not having a car and voting, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat.

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  • It's enough to make it difficult to keep to 2C climate targets on its own. Its not something we should ignore - especially since much of it comes in methane emissions which means reduction in it can be felt quicker and reduce chance of hitting feedback loops. We must tackle all sources

    To have any hope of meeting the central goal of the Paris Agreement, which is to limit global warming to 2°C or less, our carbon emissions must be reduced considerably, including those coming from agriculture. Clark et al. show that even if fossil fuel emissions were eliminated immediately, emissions from the global food system alone would make it impossible to limit warming to 1.5°C and difficult even to realize the 2°C target. Thus, major changes in how food is produced are needed if we want to meet the goals of the Paris Agreement.

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aba7357

    That's also on top of other environmental issues that it contributes to besides just climate change. Land usage, water usage, waste runoff

    Transitioning to plant-based diets (PBDs) has the potential to reduce diet-related land use by 76%, diet-related greenhouse gas emissions by 49%, eutrophication by 49%, and green and blue water use by 21% and 14%, respectively, whilst garnering substantial health co-benefits

    https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/14/8/1614/html

    And pesticide and fertilizer usage is lower

    Thus, shifting from animal to plant sources of protein can substantially reduce fertilizer requirements, even with maximal use of animal manure

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0921344922006528

    The diet containing more animal products required an additional 10 252 litres of water, 9910 kJ of energy, 186 g of fertilizer and 6 g of pesticides per week in comparison to the diet containing less animal products

    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/public-health-nutrition/article/comparing-the-water-energy-pesticide-and-fertilizer-usage-for-the-production-of-foods-consumed-by-different-dietary-types-in-california/14283C0D55AB613D11E098A7D9B546EA

  • YSK that apart from not having a car and voting, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat.

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  • For agriculture at least, the differences are often quite categorical. The best cast production will not get you the same differences as reducing meat consumption

    Plant-based foods have a significantly smaller footprint on the environment than animal-based foods. Even the least sustainable vegetables and cereals cause less environmental harm than the lowest impact meat and dairy products [9].

    https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/14/8/1614/html

    It's an even larger difference than eliminating all food waste (which we should also work to reduce)

    we show that plant-based replacements for each of the major animal categories in the United States (beef, pork, dairy, poultry, and eggs) can produce twofold to 20-fold more nutritionally similar food per unit cropland. Replacing all animal-based items with plant-based replacement diets can add enough food to feed 350 million additional people, more than the expected benefits of eliminating all supply chain food loss.

    https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1713820115

  • YSK that apart from not having a car and voting, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat.

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  • If we assume that's the case, half of revenue is still not a byproduct, it's a coproduct. The other half is still pretty relevant to its value and usage. If 50% of your revenue disappears from something, you're going to be making a lot less of it

  • YSK that apart from not having a car and voting, the single greatest thing you can do for the climate is simply eating less red meat.

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  • It's worth noting that soybean meal is not a byproduct. When we look at the most common extraction method for soybean oil (using hexane solvents), soybean meal is still the driver of demand

    However, soybean meal is the main driving force for soybean oil production due to its significant amount of productivity and revenues

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    soybean meal and hulls contribute to over 60% of total revenues, with meal taking the largest portion of over 59% of total revenue

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0926669017305010

    This is even more true of other methods like expelling which is still somewhat commonly used

    Moreover, soybean meal is the driving force for the whole process [expelling oil from soy] because it provides over 70% of the total revenue for soy processing by expelling

    https://www.mdpi.com/2077-0472/9/5/87

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    Zohran Mamdani Beats Andrew Cuomo for NY Mayoral Bid—Without Abandoning Trans People

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    Tesla Takedown Protests in Kansas City

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    Live Nearby DC? There's a Trans Unity Rally On Sat Mar 1st from 9:30am-1:30pm

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    Missouri protesters join thousands across the nation in 50501 movement

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    Early in-person voting starts this Tuesday (Oct 22) in Missouri!

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    Help write letters to inform and encourage young women to turn out in this election's abortion ballot initiative

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    Democrats Abroad have an offical mastodon account. Nice to see more people taking mastodon seriously

    mastodon.social /@democratsabroad
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    “This Email Probably Should’ve Been a Meeting” | Project 2025 training video instructs leaving no paper trail to avoid accountability

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    NBC archive footage shows Trump partying with Jeffrey Epstein in 1992

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    Gay student says "Coach" Tim Walz protected him from homophobic bullies

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    YSK: Using dairy milk after being tear gassed or pepper sprayed doesn't provide more relief and has slightly increased infection risk. Use water or saline instead

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